An Interview with Aloke Dutta
Thela (Todd Kennedy)
Several months ago Krimson News learned that King Crimson drummer Pat Mastelotto received his Tabla instruction from a man named Aloke Dutta. Upon doing some further research on Aloke I learned that he was tabla instructor to the many stars of the rock-drumming world. Besides teaching Pat, Aloke has given the gift of Tabla to artists like Terry Bozzio and Tool’s Danny Carey. Further research revealed an extremely complex and gifted teacher and performer in his own right with an intriguing history and much wisdom to give to the world. For your pleasure, my electronic mail interview with Tabla Master Aloke Dutta. To learn more about Aloke, please visit http://www.alokedutta.com
Thela - Tabla is a distinctive art form within the greater tapestry that is drumming. Describe in your own words the distinctive nature, sound, and philosophy of tabla.
Aloke Dutta - Tabla is a relatively new instrument in the field of Indian music. From the beginning, tabla players adapted the techniques and music of various drums from classical to folk. This synthesis of the serious religious nature of classical drumming with the simplicity of the folk tradition made tabla instantly popular. Tabla covers a wide range of emotions, reaches a phenomenal speed, and produces simple to extremely complex rhythmic movements. Tabla produces about 18 notes, which include compound sounds and flams. Like few other Indian drums, it produces two distinct pitches from the same head on the base drum (bayan): a resonating deep sound that is modulated or oscillated to a different pitch, or that is sustained, depending on the mood of the composition. All these sounds, then, have many shades like colors. These subtleties help tabla players make fine drum music.
T - You’ve had a chance to meet and sometimes instruct various “rock” drummers such as Terry Bozzio, Pat Mastelotto, and Tool’s Danny Carey. What do you think the major attraction for learning the language of tabla and Indian music is to these musicians? What are the advantages?
AD - I still remember Terry Bozzio once telling me, “I can play 5 over 9, 7 over 11, 5 over 7 etc., and yet it feels as if Indian drumming is several light years ahead of us. Please teach me the things that I need to play like you guys.†Oh, that humble Terry Bozzio!
The answer to all of this is: drumming is not a demonstration of our mathematical muscle. Those rhythmic patterns are just exercises. Our goal is not only to play the patterns perfectly but also to go beyond the number puzzle and feel their potential power. As I have mentioned in my book, Poetic Drumming: “We need to be sensitive enough to hear their [the compositions’] voice. We must be respectful and humble enough to surrender ourselves to their potential power and to play them the way they want to be played.†Spiritually rich, the Hindu culture of India helps us to accomplish this task. It is the Indian training system that helps us to see things beyond illusion.
Any creative drummer who wants to make meaningful music searches for spiritual ways of presentation, and the Indian way is the path to many of them.
Indian drumming is the only drumming that I know of that has a language. The biggest advantage of having a language is that the drummer can ignore the technical information during creation and pay attention to his art. These languages teach us to recite poetry of sounds in our mind rather than to mumble left, left, right, right; right, left, left, right. Through this recitation, we find expression, our own voice.
T - Let’s talk about your percussion ensemble SWATI. How did this group come together? Where do you take each other musically? What is in the future for SWATI?
AD - I formed SWATI in Los Angeles in 2001. Swati is the California version of my Texas band Rupak. In 1996, several young drummers showed up for tabla lessons in Austin, TX. They were bright, talented, and ready to accept any challenges. I had already quit accompanying, and I was searching for different ways of expressing emotions through solo tabla only. After meeting these fellows, though, I began to think of forming a pure percussion band with the same mission — representation of various moods through drumming only.
I moved to Los Angeles in 1997 and was busy getting established. I never thought of forming a band until 2001. Swati’s first public performance was in August 2001. I play with two of my students, Jason Hann (jembe, talking drum, cajon etc.) and Danny Frankel (floor tom, bongo, shakaree, bells etc.). Both of them are well-established and well-known drummers.
We have been getting a wonderful response from the audience, some invitations from schools and nearby towns, enough to keep the band alive, in good spirits, and certainly hoping to find the right booking agent.
T - What does tabla and Indian music have to teach the world not just musically but also in a greater universal sense?
AD - Music cannot be separated from culture. Music is just another manifestation of the philosophy of the land. So the answer mostly deals the spiritual aspect of our lives. To avoid any confusion, I must say here that I am not religious but certainly spiritual.
Indian music is improvised music. We have to go through strict disciplines to be able to improvise upon a specific theme. This process makes us spiritual, helps us to listen to our own deeper self. We learn to go beyond illusion to discover formlessness. As the Upanishad taught us: drown yourself in the ocean of forms to discover formlessness. Truth lies beyond what we see, touch, smell. Everything is in this world is nothing but maya.
This system teaches us who we are. It is extremely important for a creator to know who he or she is, because music is not outside, not in a compact disc or in a video. We are the music. We must believe in ourselves. As a Hindu prophet once said: he is an atheist who does not believe in himself.
I personally respect this system, because it does not insist on converting anybody to Hinduism. There is no bad side effect, only good. It helps us to discover ourselves and boosts our emotional and spiritual stamina. Friends, this is a lot more effective than ginseng.
T - Lately you’ve been traveling around the country bringing tabla seminars, performance, and instruction to the public. Could you share some of your experiences with us?
AD - I have been amazed to see that so many people already have my books and video, and have been trying to learn on their own. These people have the love, dedication, and respect for the instrument, and they obviously have been hoping for me to come to their town someday so that they can receive instruction. I have met many extremely talented kids. It almost makes me cry, because I know these kids could become wonderful tabla players if they received proper guidance. Unfortunately, colleges and universities don’t like to hire ethnic drummers. They are more interested in hiring someone who can bring money in rather than taking money out: the instructors must be sponsored by a drum manufacturer. There is hardly any respect for true art and education in educational organizations.
I believe that all of my performances have been very successful. I play about 90 minutes
of tabla solo for each concert. No one has left the auditorium, or cursed me during my performance; rather, the audience has exploded with applause and given me standing ovations every time. This response confirms for me, once again, that I made the right decision when I decided to play tabla solo exclusively. There are thousands of music lovers in the world who are ready to appreciate what I do. As a soloist, from the beginning I received rejection from the industry people (as if they know art!), negativity from fellow musicians (Indians and non-Indians), and friends (acquaintances?). Fortunately, I learnt to listen to myself and ignore evils.
I have never understood the reason for why a human being should work hard to make somebody else’s music beautiful. It does not make any sense to me that a creator should work as a rhythm keeper, as a colorful metronome!!! From the beginning of my tabla career I was uncomfortable with my position as accompanist in the music world; so I had to do what my paramatma (deeper self) wanted me to do.
I have been a soloist since 1990, and I quit my day job in 1993. Apparently, it is possible to make a respectable living as a drum soloist.
T - Let’s examine your past a little bit. Who and what were the major influences in your development as a tabla player and as an artist in general? What is your personal underlying philosophy for approaching your art and how has it evolved over the years?
AD - I grew up in a university town, primarily dedicated to art, music, and literature. My father Anadinath Dutta was a percussion instructor at that university, but he never wanted me or my brothers to become drummers in order to make a living. I was into writing poems, short stories, and occasionally critical essays. I guess, my father was quite unhappy about the way he had been treated by the musically illiterate authorities, and he did not want his children to suffer the same way.
Although I did not learn tabla as a child, I heard my father playing all the time — the pure sound of tabla. I loved the sound he was able to produce but did not have any desire to study tabla. Then, I had an experience that changed me. Late on a cold January night, my friends and I were lying on the ground after getting very drunk in a nearby village pub. There was no electricity; the moon was bright. Suddenly, we heard the sound of a tribal drum. The music of that drum blew us away. We could not stay on the ground. Completely hypnotized, we got up and followed the sound. Two drummers were playing and about a dozen women were dancing.
Today, after many years of drumming, I realize that their drumming was not sophisticated or rhythmically complicated, but the music they produced was very rich and precious. Even after listening to the great masters’ music from all over the world, I must admit that, no one has been able to replace the feeling I had from listening to my father and those tribal people. In my memory I have preserved them as a major source of creation.
I have never found the answer to why I became interested in tabla, but, when I was ready, my father agreed to teach me, and he became my only guru, my god of tabla. He is the most influential figure in my musical life. He showed me the correct path to the drum. He inspired me with genuine love, protected me with affection, and provided courage and strength to accept everything positively.
As an accompanist, I played with many great musicians. At the beginning everything felt right, but after a short while things started to fall apart. What I had been playing as an accompanist seemed meaningless, as if I were not playing my music. I felt like a puppet of the system, which was to dictating me. I could not continue tabla with this kind of agony. I moved to the US, went to school, and worked in Albuquerque for 7 years.
During my stay in Albuquerque, in 1990, I decided to play tabla solo exclusively. I felt the tremendous urge of karma deeper inside me. I knew I had no other choice but to go for tabla solo. There was hardly any support–all rejection at the beginning. It was kind of amusing, though, to hear organizers or musicians saying tabla solo wouldn’t work. Their negative attitudes actually made me believe that it would work. Isn’t that something!
I have great student karma. They have always made me believe in myself. All these great drummers like Terry Bozzio, Pat Mastelotto, Danny Carey, Joe Porcaro, Simon Phillips, Roy El Wooten have always supported my philosophy and my mission, and have helped to build my confidence.
T - What’s in the future for Aloke Dutta? What are your goals, your aspirations?
AD - Bankruptcy? — I guess! Who knows? I don’t really think about my future. I do what I feel like doing. It is up to the world whether to accept me or reject me. So, I do not want to waste any time thinking about my future. I would rather spend time at Jumbo’s Clown Room with my friends.
But certainly I would like to prove that pure drum music is a powerful musical expression and that drummers are artists.
T - When is Aloke Dutta most happy? Teaching or performing. Describe the different goals as you engage each.
AD - Performing of course. I receive divine pleasure from performances. As a performer my goal is always to shower my audience with same bliss I am receiving. And I receive satisfaction from teaching. I devote myself as a teacher to helping students to see themselves, rather than forcing them to play like me.
T - What advice could you provide to other current and potential teachers? What is the key to reaching students and imparting your wealth of knowledge? What are the major obstacles and how do you overcome them?
AD - No teacher should ever lie to his students about his ability. Teachers must admit their ignorance. A true teacher must find out the students’ potential and guide them accordingly. Do not ever show off to prove your superiority. Accept the responsibility as a father to a son.
It is normal for a student to get cocky sometimes and even to challenge his teacher. In this situation, a teacher should find out the reason for student’s misconduct and solve it instead of getting upset.
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